DougErd wrote:If you want to go that route then what about the New Testament? There is not any evidence that the Lord wanted His words written into four Gospels. Can you point out where the Lord or one of the Apostles taught that there should be four Gospels?
(10) pages of replies on this topic, and not any evidence presented that Jesus or the Apostles ever taught or believed that Mary was the Queen of Heaven.
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Jesus and the Apostles teaching Mary Queen of heaven?
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Posts: 1584 (09/21/09 18:51:48) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:When one cannot show any evidence that Jesus or the Apostles ever taught or believed Mary was the Queen of Heaven (that is because they didn't believe or teach such a thing), that doesn't deter the lay Catholic apologist. Just ignore the question, smoothly and subtily attempt to change the subject. What else can they do, when they cannot substantiate the faith they pretend to embrace?
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Posts: 600 (09/22/09 16:33:19) |
DougErd wrote:How do you know that they did not believe such a thing? It is implicitly there, in the Scriptures. So what about my questions? Care to answer those?
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Posts: 1585 (09/26/09 13:41:16) Moderator |
Show where Jesus or the Apostles 'implied" that they believed and taught that Mary was the Queen of Heaven.
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Posts: 601 (09/27/09 15:40:05) |
Rev 12.
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Posts: 4764 (10/01/09 10:47:01) Registered User |
The last time Mary is mentioned in the Bible she is praying WITH the disciples, not being prayed TO, by the disciples. I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
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Posts: 602 (10/01/09 16:00:30) |
Sid2 wrote:1. Why would she be prayed to since she was not in Heaven at the time. 2. Is it not a valid interpretation to say that the woman spoken of in Revelation is Blessed Mary?
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Posts: 1587 (10/02/09 21:40:04) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote: Nothing there about Jesus or the Apostles teaching or believing Mary being Queen of Heaven.
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Posts: 603 (10/10/09 16:09:37) |
1. You do not believe that St. John wrote this Book?
2. It is certainly plausible that the "Woman clothed with the sun with a crown of twelve stars on her head" is a depiction of the Blessed Mother.
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Posts: 4617 (10/17/09 05:57:55) Anything goes |
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2. It is certainly plausible that the "Woman clothed with the sun with a crown of twelve stars on her head" is a depiction of the Blessed Mother. It is not Mary. it is the nation of Israel , the 10 tribes! You just show how twisted your beliefs are! You need to trust the biblle nd not Rome! Loose Nut |
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Posts: 604 (10/17/09 09:50:50) |
Loose Nut wrote:1. That certainly is an interpretation of that verse but it is not the only interpretation. 2. We do trust in the Scriptures but the Catholic Church canonized the Scriptures so is it not good that we go to the source of that canonization?
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Posts: 4618 (10/17/09 13:40:37) Anything goes |
1. That certainly is an interpretation of that verse but it is not the only interpretation.
2. We do trust in the Scriptures but the Catholic Church canonized the Scriptures so is it not good that we go to the source of that canonization?
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Posts: 1589 (10/18/09 12:57:18) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:Plausible???? The Catholic Church's theology is all based on 'plausible' excuses against Jesus Christ.
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Posts: 605 (10/18/09 15:05:09) |
Loose Nut wrote,
Why did they include those fairy tales that are not inspired by the Holy Spirit?I beg your pardon. Who said that we believe in fairy tales? Why do the Roman Catholics teach that only the pope and bishops can interpret scripture when Scripture says otherwise?1. Ordinary Catholics can interpret Scripture. 2. Please provide documentation for this.
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Posts: 606 (10/18/09 15:09:52) |
DougErd wrote:How is it against the Lord Jesus?
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Posts: 1591 (10/23/09 04:43:04) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:Claiming Mary is the Queen of anything is another teaching that isn't part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is what makes it against Jesus Christ.
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Posts: 1592 (10/23/09 04:49:10) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:CCC113 2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church"). Of course the lay Catholic apologist KNOWS this, but wants to put on a facade they are related to Jesus Christ when they aren't.
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Posts: 607 (10/25/09 14:46:58) |
DougErd wrote:Have you not read Rev 12?
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Posts: 608 (10/25/09 14:51:03) |
Doug wrote/quoted,
The Word of God:1. We do not believe that the Word of God is a fairy tale. 2. We have not exchanged the truth for a lie. Not true. Catholics can only read Scripture within the traditions of the Catholic Church.If those interpretations do not go outside of Sacred Tradition then a Catholic is free to interpret the Scriptures. CCC113 2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church").Does that not make sense though?
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Posts: 1593 (10/31/09 03:15:33) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:Several times... It doesn't show Jesus or the Apostles believing or teaching Mary being the Queen of heaven.
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