GHSTHA wrote:
Doug wrote/quoted,
The Word of God:2. We have not exchanged the truth for a lie.
... they exchanged the truth for a lie.
Somehow believing Mary is the Queen of heaven is an example of exchanging the truth for a lie.
Not true. Catholics can only read Scripture within the traditions of the Catholic Church.If those interpretations do not go outside of Sacred Tradition then a Catholic is free to interpret the Scriptures.
That is different than your earlier statement that Catholics are free to interpret Scriptures...
CCC113 2. Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers, Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church's heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God's Word, and it is the Holy Spirit who gives her the spiritual interpretation of the Scripture (". . . according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church").Does that not make sense though?
No it doesn't. Pretending traditions of the Catholic Church holds any authority has given Catholics nonsense like claiming Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
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Jesus and the Apostles teaching Mary Queen of heaven?
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Posts: 1594 (10/31/09 03:22:19) Moderator |
"Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."
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Posts: 609 (10/31/09 10:45:18) |
DougErd wrote:But that does not change the fact that we have a valid interpretation of that verse(s). |
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Posts: 610 (10/31/09 10:57:36) |
Doug wrote,
Somehow believing Mary is the Queen of heaven is an example of exchanging the truth for a lie.How? That is different than your earlier statement that Catholics are free to interpret Scriptures...I do not believe that it does. I do not recall making such a statement. No it doesn't. Pretending traditions of the Catholic Church holds any authority has given Catholics nonsense like claiming Mary is the Queen of Heaven.But it does hole authority. Where does your authority come from? |
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Posts: 1595 (11/01/09 05:18:37) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:A valid interpretation????? You know the Catholic Church allows Catholics SEVERAL different interpretations of whom the woman is in Revelation 12. For example, New Advent claims the woman is the Catholic Church itself!!!!! With all the confusion coming from the Catholic Church, in this case specifically Revelation 12, one cannot make the case Jesus and the Apostles taught or believed Mary is a queen of anything.
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Posts: 1596 (11/01/09 05:27:12) Moderator |
DougErd wrote:
"Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."
-Dr. Walter Martin |
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Posts: 611 (11/14/09 14:35:33) |
DougErd wrote: So do you believe that this is a valid interpretation or not? |
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Posts: 1598 (11/19/09 17:16:22) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote:
So do you believe that this is a valid interpretation or not? ------------ Based on whose interpretation? Your's? Or New Advent's? Frankly, New Advent would hold more water on Catholic beliefs than any lay Catholic apologist's opinion. Certainly with all the conflicting interpretations from the Catholic Church and their apologists regarding whom is the woman in Revelation 12 is, that shows in itslef that one cannot claim Revelation 12 as evidence that Jesus and the Apostles taught or believed Mary is a queen of heaven.
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Posts: 612 (11/19/09 17:26:08) |
But it is not an invalid interpretation, is it?
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Posts: 1600 (11/22/09 16:53:02) Moderator |
GHSTHA wrote: That is the point.... Then when attempting to justify the future Catholic doctrine of Mary being the Queen of Heaven, some Catholics claim it means Mary and nothing else, when the Catholic Church allows several 'valid' interpretations of who the woman is in Revelation 12. By the Catholic Church allowing several different 'valid' interpretations, that shows in itself, that Jesus or the Apostles never taught or believed Mary was the Queen of Heaven. Because that would mean all the other interpretations they have already accepted as 'valid', would be wrong. So, repeating the mantra that the woman of Revelation 12 is Mary, and keep ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church allows several other interpretations of whom that woman is. It makes your case irrelevant UNTIL the Catholic Church proclaims all the other interpretations they all call valid, as invalid.
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Posts: 613 (11/22/09 17:08:34) |
This is the thing, if something does not fall outside the Tradition that has come from the Apostles then is can be considered a valid interpretation. Are you
rock solid of your interpretation of that verse. If so, why and how?
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