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Medjugorje which is strongly supported by the Franciscans is not without its critics in and outside the church.
Unity Publishing a Roman Catholic website is scathing in its censure claiming that the whole thing is a money making scam that was originally set up to help finance the purchase of arms for the Croatian war of independence and that millions of dollars collected in the name of Medjugorje have just disappeared into thin air.
It also censors the so called visionaries themselves for the opulent lifestyles they lead, the beautiful mansions they own, mostly overseas, and the luxury cars they drive, all courtesy of the donations they personally receive and the huge engagement fees they demand for appearances.
On top of that Unity also takes the Franciscan order to task for claimed illicit sexual activity with pilgrims including the now familiar paedophile problems regularly being exposed. It all sounds a bit fishy doesnt it? Even Rome is showing concern over the petty politics, money grabbing and sexual licence going on.
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Medjugorje, Inc.: Apparation Mary Themepark Money Machine
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 glorybe429 |
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Posts: 16619 (03/26/07 09:36:01) official flamethrower |
Sid mentions
<....millions of dollars collected in the name of Medjugorje have just disappeared into thin air> Swiss Banks. the Vatican. Bank of Ambrosia. Mansions throughout the world. Mercedes. BMW's, etc. <even Rome is showing concern...> when they don't get their even CUT OF THE POT. |
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Posts: 1197 (03/26/07 09:50:44) |
I think even Rome by now would love to see Medjugorjie shut down. HOWEVER, doing so now, at this late time, would case aspersions and questions about the OTHER Marian Theme Parks that pull in BILLIONS annually, so in order to protect the cash flow { as they will always do. } they are doing the ambivalent thing on Med, neither approving, NOR warning.
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Posts: 16619 (03/26/07 16:29:08) official flamethrower |
Tan
<i think even rome would like to see medjugorje shut down> nah. it's mo' money, mo' money, and mo' money! and it's been real vehicle(of satan) that has been successful in keeping the really whacked "catholic faithful" eating out of their hand. <neither approving, nor warning> the day you no longer hear CHA CHING coming from that satanic hole, then you'll hear the "pillar of truth" as they self proclaim come out and say how evil it really was. |
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Posts: 1706 (03/26/07 19:40:36) Leaven Rooster |
Sid, I email with Rick the Publican if you need to know more of his stories. He is a good friend of Glorybe's hero Phil Kronzer.
God bless you, |
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Sid2 |
Medjugorje proves the RCC run by hirelings | ||
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Posts: 4786 (03/27/07 05:12:02) Registered User |
Quote: Tan: That the Vatican has been unwilling/unable to shut down the Marian themeparks that are sprouting up all over the world confirms that the RCC is run by hirelings and false shepherds. The RCC is a miserable failure at teaching or protecting it's flock. Ezekiel 34:1-10 describes the Catholic hirelings to a tee.  Quote: |
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Posts: 16619 (03/27/07 09:25:01) official flamethrower |
Sid
That's a well done book on the "EVIL" history of the "marian movement". CR mentions <Phil Kronzer> I've read some of his things. I can see why you wouldn't like him. Mr. Kronzer needs to realize, if he hasn't yet, that continuing to "partake" in the cult of rome in ANY WAY, is not THE ANSWER for him. it's like a demoniac supposedly being exorcized by a priest who is demon possessed. The demons don't leave, they just bounce back and forth, from one occultist to the next. THE ANSWER is to "come out of her" and "BELIEVE IN HIM"! |
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Sid2 |
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Posts: 4786 (09/01/07 14:39:06) Registered User |
Quote: Tan: Besides the money, the Apparition Mary themeparks and the whole RC obsession with everything provides confused Catholics with bubblegum to satisfy their religious addictions without growing to understanding that it is all at best lukewarm. Have you ever stopped to consider that the RCC uses their promotions of Mary as a yardstick to determine the effectiveness of Roman Catholic Indoctrination and Assimilation? Like the suggestion box in the workplace, the Catholic Marian enterprise effectively identifies the misfits. If a Catholic demonstrates hesitation to buy into the Catholic obsession with everything Mary, a few more laps in the sheepdip tank are indicated. 
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Sid2 |
Medjugorje, Croatia and Ephesians 6 Spiritual Warfare | ||
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Posts: 4786 (09/18/07 12:52:52) Registered User |
I believe that Medjugorje, the genocide in Croatia, the Vatican Bank Scandal, the papacy of Pius XII and the assassination of JPI all point to Ephesians 6 Spiritual Warfare. . . . and the RCC is getting beaten up badly. |
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Posts: 1194 (09/18/07 16:15:33) Onward Christian Soldiers |
They're worried about a scam when they scam people out of money with purgatory.
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The RCC is just another abusive religion | ||
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Posts: 4786 (09/18/07 16:55:28) Registered User |
Quote: Alexandra1611: As bad as the sex abuse scandal was, the real scandal is that the RCC is an abusive religion. The RCC keeps the pew Catholics in ignorance of the real Gospel and treats them like mushrooms. The pew Catholics are the victims in all this. |
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Posts: 11424 (09/20/07 16:52:48) Administrator |
you all need to get a copy of that movie, "Amen" and watch it. Catholicism is so vile, it isn't funny.
In Christ, Deborah |
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Sid2 |
MEDJUGORJE: DIVINE INTERVENTION OR DIABOLICAL DECEPTION? | ||
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Posts: 4763 (10/01/09 06:28:31) Registered User |
Early scientific and psychological testing of the "visionaries" did not show signs of duplicity. It's likely that the visionaries believe in what they see; I don't think they conspired with each other to make a buck. The visionaries are basically good, and honest people trapped in a, possibly, diabolical deception. The devil parades as an angle of light. 95% of what is said and happening at Medjugorje seems good, it is the 5% of strange unorthodoxy that is troublesome. The air of legitimacy and good fruits coupled with messages out of whack with the deposit of faith is what makes Medjugorje phenomena to be treated with caution. On the one hand, we Catholics love Our Lady, but we should be cautious in the milieu of today's Marian apparitions for just that reason: We need to love Our Lady for who she really is, and not a deception. One need only look to Bayside, New York, where a delusional woman claimed to see Our Lady, to see how strange Marian "apparitions" can become. Bayside had a huge cult following; it had reputed miracles to support it, including silver rosaries turning gold, miraculous healings and seemingly unlimited financial resources-these things also happen at Medjugorje. Bayside was declared invalid by the local Bishop, as has Medjugorje by every local Bishop since the phenomena started. More . . .
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As reviewed by the New Oxford Review..., August 20, 2007 | ||
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Posts: 4766 (10/10/09 09:28:12) Registered User |
Although the subtitle of Donal Anthony Foley's Understanding Medjugorje is "Heavenly Visions or Religious Illusion?" there is no question in the mind or writing of the author that the answer is "illusion." Add to that, fraud and deceit. The alleged visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary in a backwater town of former Yugoslavia (now Bosnia-Herzegovina) since 1981 continue to attract religious thrill seekers in droves. What most Medjugorje pilgrims don't know, suggests Foley, is the sordid history surrounding the visionaries and the the religious order that has promoted the alleged visions over the past quarter century. Sexual scandal, ecclesial disobedience, an attack on the local bishop, and outright fraud are just some of the compelling reasons to question the authenticity of the visions and the motives of its promoters. Unlike previous slovenly-written attempts by other authors to expose the Medjugorje deception, Foley's offering provides an informative, compelling and persuasive argument to give Medjugorje a wide berth. More . . .
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Hercegovacka Banka Franciscans Medjugorje Money Laundering | ||
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Posts: 4770 (10/26/09 04:01:22) Registered User |
In a confrontation, on April 6, NATO peacekeepers seized control of Hercegovacka Banka, believed to be a financial stronghold used by Bosnian Croat radicals in their pursuit of an independent ministate within the Federation. The raids were carried out at the bank headquarters in Mostar and branches in Siroki Brijeg, Grude, Orasje, Tomislavgrad, Posusje, and Medjugorje. The takeovers led to numerous demonstrations and injuries among both protesters and NATO troops. Hercegovacka Banka was founded in 1997 by several private companies and the Franciscan Order, which controls the religious shrine in Medjugorje and is a major source of income derived from both pilgrims and donations by Croats living abroad.More . . .
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Hercegovacka Banka Medjugorje Money Laundering | ||
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Hercegovacka Banka Medjugorje Money Laundering - Google Search 1. MEL GIBSON'S "THE PASSION" -- Will the Enemies of Christ Find a ...
"Money flows into the coffers of
feminist spiritualists through contacts with ... raid on Hercegovacka Banka, owned in part by the Medjugorje Franciscans.
... implicated the Medjugorje Franciscans in a pattern of money laundering and ..."
2. THE OCCULT AND THE VULNERABLE
inatoday.com/the%20passion%20022204.htm
"The three had interests in Hercegovacka Banka, raided by SFOR ... if not
billions - of dollars through money laundering facilities to a series of highly ..."
3. East European Constitutional Review
www.inatoday.com/occult%20and%20the%20vulnerable%20020904.htm
"The use of Hercegovacka
Banka to transmit money illegally to
accounts of CDUBH ... to suspicions of widespread money laundering, fraud, and economic crimes.
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4. Postwar Political Economy in Bosnia and Herzegovina: The Spoils of ...
www1.law.nyu.edu/eecr/vol10num2_3/constitutionwatch/bosnia.html
"... and the Hercegovacka
Banka, raided by the Stabilization Force (SFOR) in April 2001 on suspicion of money laundering for the Croat Democratic Union (HDZ) ..."
5. Newsletter of the Center for Slavic and East European Studies
www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=5000670174
"Hercegovacka Banka in 2001 after discovering it to be at the heart of a money- laundering operation to fund parallel. Page 23. CSEES Newsletter Summer 2003 / ..."
6. Medjugorje Money Laudnering - Mombu the
Culture Forum
iseees.berkeley.edu/publications/2003_20-02.pdf
"interests in Hercegovacka
Banka, raided by SFOR (Stabilization Force ... millions - if not billions - of dollars through
money laundering ..."
7. NEWS
www.mombu.com/culture/croatia/t-medjugorje-money-laudnering-1249538.html
"Ivan, who was also from Medjugorje, perceived his life in danger, had no choice but to flee. ...... The contents of the Mostar branch
of the Hercegovacka Banka, ..... swam
in an ocean of money that was laundered by Manatos and Manatos, ..."
8. OHR BiH Media Round-up, 18/6/2005
www.hic.hr/english/ARCHIVE.htm
"Background Documents ยป. Hercegovacka Banka Provisional Administrator .....
was sentenced to 2 years in prison and 50 000 BAM fine for money laundering. ..."
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www.ohr.int/ohr-dept/presso/bh-media-rep/round-ups/default.asp?content_id=34875
"Representative in Bosnia and Hercegovina appropriated of Hercegovacka Banka in 2001 after. discovering it to
be at the heart of a money-laundering operation ..."
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soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna | Google Groups
www.allacademic.com/pages/p82598-17.php
"raid on Hercegovacka
Banka, owned in part by the Medjugorje Franciscans. ... implicated the Medjugorje Franciscans in a pattern of money
laundering ..."
11. Frank - February
10th, 2004
groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna/tree/browse_frm/month/2004-04/730a9b2e6611087b?rnum=121&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.culture.bosna-herzgvna%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fmonth%2F2004-04%3F
"... and the earlier raid on the Hercegovacka Banka, lends ongoing support to ...
billions - of dollars through money laundering facilities to a series of ..."
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Keep it coming, Sid!!!
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Posts: 4772 (11/05/09 16:10:05) Registered User |
Deborah1611 wrote: Deborah: I haven't found the key yet, but there are connections between Medjugorje and the Serb/Croat stupidity festival. . . . with ties to the Calvi murder and the Vatican Bank Scandal. Where's Dan Brown when we really need him? |
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Medjugorje is the darling of the Catholic Charismatic Renewa | ||
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Posts: 4780 (11/11/09 06:18:07) Registered User |
Medjugorje is the darling of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is one of the reasons that I am an exCatholic today. I was involved in the CCR in the early '70s and was involved in team teaching Life in the Spirit. It was truly amazing to witness the presence of the Holy Spirit. . . until the ArchBishop got wind of Catholics actually studying the Bible without the Catholic notes and doing church without benefit of clergy. . . . . . dangerous activities that could be tolerated. |
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