Budge wrote:
Bush is a not a born again Christian by the usual meaning. He does not belong to a Bible-believing church in fact he belongs to one of the most liberal denominations going--United Methodist.

So United Methodist are not born again Christians eh? They believe in the Bible too, just a different interpretation as you do. Since neither you nor they have any authority behind your interpretations why should anyone believe either interpretation? So essentially your saying they have to be Bible believing (really means believing according to Budge) to be Christians? What exactly does that entail? What doctrine do you consider essential in order to be a a Bible beleiver?

In fact his own church leaders spoke out against his war.. The War with Iraq has turned into a debacle. We have another Vietnam on the way, soilders getting killed...He still hasnt proven the WMD case.
So which is it Budge? Opposing Iraq war good or bad?


Shain wrote:
>>Bush "faced the pagan obelisk" during his Inauguration, just as Illuminist Presidents Reagan through Clinton had done --
>>Bush enacted the core Illuminist plan dating back to 1917 to impose Martial Law on the entire country.
>>President Bush showed his true Illuminist colors when he nominated Henry Kissinger to be the head of the 9/11 investigative committee! [/i]

So who conspires to create the one world government? Its the Illuminatis for Shain. Budge disagrees with you Shain, she thinks its the EU but then she rails on the UN too. She cant make up her mind. I know you think the Vatican is involved, how about the Jews? Lots of your conspiracy buddys finger the Jews. Rothchilds? Bulderburgers? Trilateralist? Council for Foreign Relations? Skull and Bones? There has to be dozens of these organizations and somehow they are all going to create a one world order. Sounds like the Protestant idea off the church. Guess the one world order wont be so bad as long as its an invisible one world government. They will just keep squabbling amongst each other and splitting off in to splinter one world governments.

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TheBird68,

I do believe we have lift off.

The Rapture, the Rapture, the Rapture.....

So are you two pretribs or do you need to find some land in Montana?

MSC wrote:
You mentioned Michigan. Let me guess...you live in Michigan..the U.P. to be more exact. Do you?

My brother lived in the UP for several years. Are you from the UP?

"Islam is a peaceful religion." I'm not sure if he's read all the Koran, but I can't agree with his statement after I have heard what some of the Koran says.
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Depends on which brand of Islam, like Christianity there are several groups. Mohammeds early writings were about peaceful subjects, as he became more and more corrupted by power he began justifying his murder and thievery with religion. His message is dualistic: peace/violence. Some groups emphasis the peace over the violent messages, others the opposit