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So United Methodist are not born again Christians eh? They believe in the Bible too, just a different interpretation as you do. Since neither you nor they have any authority behind your interpretations why should anyone believe either interpretation
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I cannot judge the individual UM but Bush has shown very negative fruits. United Methodist is an extremely liberal denomination with some exceptions. I know people studying for the seminary for United Methodist that consider themselves Christian-pagans.

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So essentially your saying they have to be Bible believing (really means believing according to Budge) to be Christians? What exactly does that entail? What doctrine do you consider essential in order to be a a Bible beleiver?


If you havent figured out the basic doctrine by now....

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In fact his own church leaders spoke out against his war.. The War with Iraq has turned into a debacle. We have another Vietnam on the way, soilders getting killed...He still hasnt proven the WMD case.
So which is it Budge? Opposing Iraq war good or bad?


His church supports the Left, its a WCC member of course they didnt support the war. The Left also refused to ask the hard questions too. I questioned the Iraq war you know it---I believed Bush a little concerning the WMD later on but now I am angry that it appears he was lying. He has so many holes in his stories its not funny.


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So who conspires to create the one world government? Its the Illuminatis for Shain. Budge disagrees with you Shain, she thinks its the EU but then she rails on the UN too.


Its a loose connection of the globalists and the elites seeking power. I dont believe they wrote a plan a la the Illuminati, this is greedy men taking things to their final conclusion. The EU is related to the UN, Quo Vadis. Who do think is running the ICC? Do you read ANY NEWS?



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She cant make up her mind. I know you think the Vatican is involved, how about the Jews? Lots of your conspiracy buddys finger the Jews. Rothchilds? Bulderburgers? Trilateralist? Council for Foreign Relations? Skull and Bones?


This is just STUPID.... You act like the liberals when ever someone questions your belief, calling them Bigot and hater. It is known on this board I support the Jewish people and Israel. Wake up! You know nothing of international comerce or what laws have been changed. Nothing about Globalism, or transnational corporations.

Its the anti-semities out to divide Israel's land and make deals with terrorists.

Its the anti-semities who support the United Nations who constantly makes declarations against Israel while ignoring the atrocities in many third world nations.


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. Guess the one world order wont be so bad as long as its an invisible one world government. They will just keep squabbling amongst each other and splitting off in to splinter one world governments.


Ive read and studied some of these globalist organizations and many share the same goals. So while loosely ordered, in a way they are not.


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Depends on which brand of Islam, like Christianity there are several groups. Mohammeds early writings were about peaceful subjects, as he became more and more corrupted by power he began justifying his murder and thievery with religion. His message is dualistic: peace/violence. Some groups emphasis the peace over the violent messages, others the opposit


Your church teaches Allah equals God, maybe you should think about it. Your church preaches "peace" a False one.

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And yet the fact is he continues to nominate antiabortion judges and they get shot down with fillibusters in the Senate.


All politicking. Of course as long as a politician plays the prolife game, he probably could get away with anything according to neo-conservatives. Wow he is, hes making tax cuts for the rich galore and betraying Israel......

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Yes we had a fine example of kookery here when Peter the Rock was here telling us about how the government had wired the WTO with explosives to cause the collapse and how the hijacked planes were flown into the towers by remote control by the government. He followed that up with a disertation on how the moon walks were faked and how man can't physically travel to the moon.


Easier just to call people crazy isnt it. You have no answers for the questions called up. I dont want to get started on Peters moon stuff. Youre just sidetracking the issue anyway. Cant you see that Bush is up to no good? The whole country is in outrage and the neo-conservatives march on, "Bush is great" as he charges the American people 25 BILLION dollars--I heard this on the news--for his HOMELAND SECURITY program a year.
Wake up!

The economy is going into a sinkhole because these globalists have sold our country out. My town is probably going to be a ghost town in the next 5 years. Im already having friends moving away. 6 factories have moved overseas. Bush is part of this. You wont see this stuff talked about much on ABC news.

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Labeling someone as not born again based on what church and the position on the Rapture is a little hard I'd have to say.


The United Methodist church in my town prays to the Goddess. How do I know, a good friend who left the church told me. Sure indiviudals can be born again, but the church is liberal to the max with maybe a few exceptions. They are outdistancing even the Episcopalians.

I love how QV changes the subject.