Hi Joe,
Come on lets just bury the hatchet and start over. I admitted in a post to shain that I did not give you enough latitude and for that I ask for your forgiveness. Intolerance is a flaw in my character that I am working on. Believe it or not I DO appreciate your solid stand as a Catholic. I wish more Catholics would not be ashamed of what they believe. In that you have my repsect. On your part I will leave it up to you as what you think or do. I really don't believe you will leave because I am a moderator. We have had tiffs before, so lets hug and make up, o.k.?:D

Now lets deal point by point in what you said:

Never said that, never implied that. I judge NO ONES soul. That is for God alone. I do believe with all of my heart that the surest way to get to heaven is to be a good and devout Catholic.

Well Joe that is open to what people see in your posts. The fact that you turn around and say the surest way does seem to imply that if you are not Catholic you might not see heaven. Fair assessment?

True. (Type-o noted)

Thanks for the candor. I didn't see my typo, thanks for pointing it out. I hate bad spellers, including my bad speling.:lol

Again, true. All Catholics must believe that. If you don't then you are not Catholic.

Well Joe, what about former Catholics? So are you saying that non-Catholics who believe they are saved are saved and will go to heaven?:lol

Not true. And that is not Catholic Teaching.

So Trent is not in force today? What happens to those who (like myself) will never come back to Rome? I believe it is Catholic teaching but for ecumenical reasons the RCC has downplayed the need to be part of the Roman church, or be attached to it somehow. Those who reject the ecumenical movement and will not submit to Rome are for all intents and purposes damned, unless they repent and accept Rome. Do I tell the truth or do I paint a a improper portrait.

It is because of this that Tim threatened me yet again whith his black mail. I.e. 'Appologize or I will delete everything you post.'

Joe black-mail is a strong word and I would caution you about using it. It was not black mail but an honest effort for you to show some respect for the females that post here. Budge said that she did not lie, so you should have dropped it and apologized. That is all it was, no black mail. Anyway I did admit that I didn't give you enough latitude.

And unless I am loosing my mind I do remember her saying those exact words to me about a thousand posts ago.
At the time she did make it clear that she doesn't hate Catholic people but that she hates the 'Catholic Church' as an institution.
I said Budge hates the 'Catholic Church' and I stand by that.


Joe, you need to apologize. Budge never said that she "hated" anybody and anything. You can stand by that accusation and you would be wrong. You need to cut Budge a little slack and drop the accusation. Believe it if you want, but do the right thing and apologize. Nobody is forcing you to agree she didn't say it, it is just to keep attitudes on the board in the proper frame. O.K.? Do you want to be right at any cost and alienate people or do the right thing and have people admire you for doing it. Nobody is asking you to compromise your Catholic beliefs.

Ok,..enough. As long as Tim is moderator I am gone. I will not be threatened with black mail.

Joe, I know you want to stay. I apologized for over reacting. Would you like to be likened to Barney Fife?:lol Joe you know deep in your heart you are not being blackmailed. Stay on and post to your hearts content. I mean this from the bottom of my heart.:)

Tim