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Blessed are you Lord God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. It will become for us the bread of life.

Nowhere in the NT are we ever told to offer anything in sacrifice except ourselves as living and holy sacrifices which is our acceptable form of worship.
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So I guess you eat thin air at you communion services?

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Similarly no NT account ever talks of adding water to the cup hence diluting what is there. We are never told we will share in the divinity of Christ during this act either. Weve only just begun and already there are additions to the scriptural picture no true Christian can be com



And who said all truth is contained in the NT? We do however have the early Church fathers testimonial that this was done. Of course new age Christains such as yourself deny historical Christianity, favoring total apostacy or fanciful historical fantasy instead of reality.
So tell me EJ what do you do at worship service? Justify every action taken at your "worship" services for us. Do you stand or sit? Where does the Bible say it is ok to sit in a pew? Where does the Bible say it is ok to give a sermon? Where does it say to read Scripture?


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Blessed are you Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands it will become our spiritual drink.

Again the word offer nowhere mentioned in the NT descriptions of any communion service the Christians participated in. any offering to God in this form is to be made by the High Priest of our Souls Christ Jesus. But over and over we see we. There is no we in the work of Christ.


Again the word offer nowhere mentioned in the NT descriptions of any communion service the Christians participated in.

And yet you have communion service dont you EJ? So is the Bible totally sufficient for the practice of your faith EJ? The Bible does mention

1 Corinthians 10:16
Is not the [Matt 26:27f; Mark 14:23f; Luke 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25] cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the [Matt 26:26; Luke 22:19; Acts 2:42; 1 Cor 11:23f] bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ?


1 Corinthians 11:27
Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be [Heb 10:29] guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.


What we do have is the testimonial of the ECFs and we have Eucharistic prayers as early as 110AD and 250AD. Were they Christian EJ? If not, where were the Christians, the light of the world, the beacon on the hill?

Here is the earliest non-Biblical description of the Mass:
CHAPTER 9
9:1 But concerning the Eucharist, after this fashion give ye thanks.

9:2 First, concerning the cup. We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine, David thy Son, which thou hast made known unto us through Jesus Christ thy Son; to thee be the glory for ever.

9:3 And concerning the broken bread. We thank thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which thou hast made known unto us through Jesus thy Son; to thee be the glory for ever.

9:4 As this broken bread was once scattered on the mountains, and after it had been brought together became one, so may thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth unto thy kingdom; for thine is the glory, and the power, through Jesus Christ, for ever.

9:5 And let none eat or drink of your Eucharist but such as have been baptized into the name of the Lord, for of a truth the Lord hath said concerning this, Give not that which is holy unto dogs.

CHAPTER 10
10:1 But after it has been completed, so pray ye.

10:2 We thank thee, holy Father, for thy holy name, which thou hast caused to dwell in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality which thou hast made known unto us through Jesus thy Son; to thee be the glory for ever.

10:3 Thou, Almighty Master, didst create all things for the sake of thy name, and hast given both meat and drink, for men to enjoy, that we might give thanks unto thee, but to us thou hast given spiritual meat and drink, and life everlasting, through thy Son.

10:4 Above all, we thank thee that thou art able to save; to thee be the glory for ever.

10:5 Remember, Lord, thy Church, to redeem it from every evil, and to perfect it in thy love, and gather it together from the four winds, even that which has been sanctified for thy kingdom which thou hast prepared for it; for thine is the kingdom and the glory for ever.

10:6 Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the Son of David. If any one is holy let him come (to the Eucharist); if any one is not, let him repent. Maranatha. Amen.

10:7 But charge the prophets to give thanks, so far as they are willing to do so.



Interesting that which I bolded eh EJ. Who are the sanctified he is refering to? Why does he use "even"? But then that is the subject for another post.

Here is another from 250AD:
The Canon of Hippolytus
We give you thanks, O God, through your beloved Servant Jesus Christ, whom at the end of time you did send to us a Saviour and Redeemer and the Messenger of your counsel. Who is your Word, inseparable from you; through whom you did make all things and in whom you are well pleased. Whom you did send from heaven into the womb of the Virgin, and who, dwelling within her, was made flesh, and was manifested as your Son, being born of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin. Who, fulfilling your will, and winning for himself a holy people, spread out his hands when he came to suffer, that by his death he might set free them who believed on you.
Who, when he was betrayed to his willing death, that he might bring to nought death, and break the bond of the devil, and tread hell under foot, and give light to the righteous and set up a boundary post, and manifest his resurrection, taking bread and giving thanks to you said: Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you. And likewise also the cup, saying: This is my blood, which is shed for you. As often as you perform this, perform my memorial. Having in memory, therefore, his death and resurrection, we offer to you the bread and the cup, yielding you thanks, because you have counted us worthy to stand before you and to minister to you. And we pray you that you would send your Holy Spirit upon the offering of your holy church; that you, gathering them into one, would grant to all your saints who partake to be filled with the Holy Spirit, that their faith may be confirmed in truth, that we may praise and glorify you. Through your Servant Jesus Christ, through whom be to you glory and honor, with the Holy Spirit in the holy church, both now and always and world without end. Amen.

So what do you say at your communion service EJ? Is every word from the Bible?

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May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of His Name, for our good, and the good of all His church

Again we see our sacrifice and the response at your hands. There was only one sacrifice and it was not at the supper it was at Calvary. Jesus made it and could only Himself make it and only make it in the tabernacle not made with hands and it was done ONCE FOR ALL and not as a continual offering or sacrifice as we see here.


Ah, I see where your going with the quote further up and here. It is we offer the bread. And we do, as the medium for the transubstantiation. No one is saying the offering of bread mediates our sin. And it is THE sacrifice at your hands for OUR good. You do agree that Christs sacrifice was for our good dont you EJ? ? The continuity of Christs sacrifice and the mass has been discussed here before in other threads. The Catholic teaching on this matter is available online for those that actually care to understand the Catholic teaching.

Thats enough for now.