Hi Padadu,

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No garee, take away the bible and we still have His Church. That's were all the authority is at. If you were to take away His Chruch(which many have tried but failed, and will continue to fail), then we would be in a bind. The Church defines the bible, the bible does'nt define the Church. Evil leaders in the past always tried to stop His Church not the bible(Stalin, Hitler, reformers).


Without the Bible you would have no idea what evil is or what good is!If the church was the Holy Spirit then I would agree with you but because the church is made up of fallible men ,only the Holy Spirit defines his word. Check out this verse ...Does it say let the church be true? God have mercy!

May it never be! Yes, let God be found true, but every man a liar. As it is written, "That you might be justified in your words, And might prevail when you come into judgment." Rom 3:4

If we let the church define truth we run into oral tradition that has no way of knowing if it origins come from the Holy Spirit or from the father of lies ,who needs a oral voice to lead his people to Hell. This is why God's church listens to His written voice this is a guarentee which keeps us in His Love.

Just think if it were not for Gods revealed will ,I am sure that the Catholics under the influence of Peter would be seeing the Apostle John in there great signs in wonders in the sky.

Joh 21:23 This saying therefore went out among the brothers, that this disciple wouldn't die. Yet Jesus didn't say to him that he wouldn't die, but, "If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you?"
Who you going to trust Padadu, Peter or the Holy Spirit cant have both!

It is really strange the three most hated words of satan are "it is written" why is it the same three words you hate?

In Christ, Garee