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They resort to man's wisdom and paganism and use Metaphysical explanations.


Like I said, it was a metaphysical question.

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Traditionally, metaphysics refers to the branch of philosophy that attempts to understand the fundamental nature of all reality, whether visible or invisible. It seeks a description so basic, so essentially simple, so all-inclusive that it applies to everything, whether divine or human or anything else. It attempts to tell what anything must be like in order to be at all.


I prefer W. Norris Clarke's statement (from The One and the Many, page 6):
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This is the meaning of the ancient classical metaphysics..."Metaphysics is the study of of being qua being" or being as such. Spelled out, this means the study of all things precisely insofar as they are real, which means for St. Thomas actually existent.

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The terms metaphysics and metaphysical in a popular sense have been used in connection with New Thought, Christian Science, Theosophy, and Spiritualism,


I do not engage in "popular" metaphysics, which is rarely real metaphysics and usually foolish speculation, and I resent your insinuation that I am apostate. I take part in the classical tradition, mainly Thomisitic. www.aquinasonline.com/

As stated before, transubstantation assumes a priori that the Body and Blood of Christ is present in the Eucharist. It assumes this, again, as a matter of faith. See my previous post.

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Now, I will offer only this more, from your post: "And this body which we make is that which was born of the Virgin."

'Nuff said.


However, Ambrose also states:
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We observe, then, that grace has more power than nature, and yet so far we have only spoken of the grace of a prophet's blessing. But if the blessing of man had such power as to change nature, what are we to say of that divine consecration where the very words of the Lord and Saviour operate? For that sacrament which you receive is made what it is by the word of Christ. But if the word of Elijah had such power as to bring down fire from heaven, shall not the word of Christ have power to change the nature of the elements? You read concerning the making of the whole world: "He spake and they were made, He commanded and they were created." Shall not the word of Christ, which was able to make out of nothing that which was not, be able to change things which already are into what they were not?


It is the power of God which effects the change, not the will of the priest. St. Ambrose made a poor turn of phrase; after all, he wasn't infallible, and niether were his works. In regards to who effects the sacramental change, I refer you again to Mysterium Fidei, Ecclesia de Eucharistica, and the Catechism.

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We get the point, you are a metaphysicist first, a Romanut second.


Incorrect: I am a Catholic first, a theologian second, a philosoher third.

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