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Jan 21 04 8:14 AM
Quote:Metaphysics is a philosophy. It is "man's wisdom" and it is foolishness with God. Yet you find it necessary to turn to this vain philosophy rather than to God's word to explain the Roman "faith".
Quote:Tell me, how can you "chew up" that which you believe is the literal Jesus Christ without breaking "His" bones?
Quote:If you don't believe that Jesus Christ IS physically present, and if the "infallible" Pope Gregory VII were still in power, you would be in a heap of trouble as the "priest" Berengarius found himself to be.
Quote:I beleive that the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ are truely, really, and substantially present in the Eucharist
Quote:I believe in my heart and openly profess that the bread and wine placed upon the altar are, by the mystery of the sacred prayer and the words of the Redeemer, substantially changed into the true and life-giving flesh and blood of Jesus Christ our Lord...They are present not only by means of a sign and of the efficacy of the sacrament, but also in the very reality and truth of their nature and substance.
Quote:Now you want us to believe that all of these "infallible" pronouncements are nothing more than "metaphysical" dissertations?
Quote:Perhaps you will say, "I see something else, how is it that you assert that I receive the Body of Christ?"...But why make use of arguments? Let us use the examples He gives, and by the example of the Incarnation prove the truth of the mystery. Did the course of nature proceed as usual when the Lord Jesus was born of Mary? If we look to the usual course, a woman ordinarily conceives after connection with a man. And this body which we make is that which was born of the Virgin. Why do you seek the order of nature in the Body of Christ, seeing that the Lord Jesus Himself was born of a Virgin, not according to nature? It is the true Flesh of Christ which crucified and buried, this is then truly the Sacrament of His Body.
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