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Jul 29 03 8:35 AM
Quote:As far as garee is concerned it's obvious she didn't read all my post in this short 2 page thread or she wouldn't have parroted the very verse I stated these people use that denouce the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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Jul 29 03 8:46 AM
Jul 29 03 9:02 AM
Quote:They will cease, I know. When? That's up to the Holy Ghost since he distributes the gifts as he wills. That's why St. Paul says. It's up to God. He's the one who bestows the gifts as he determines for the congregation of believers.
Jul 29 03 9:09 AM
Jul 29 03 12:49 PM
Quote:No, new revelation need not come through tongues. If someone speaks in tongues and it is interpreted and lines up God's word and not opposed to it, it's fine. St. Paul talks of edification of the church. A message interpreted may be from God to edify the church, not bring some new revelation or new doctrine.
Jul 29 03 1:16 PM
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Jul 29 03 3:13 PM
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Jul 29 03 4:40 PM
Quote:Tongues is a direct message inspired by God ,God is no longer adding new messages, if he were we would simply add it to scripture as a inspired message from God.But we cannot violate God word.
Jul 29 03 4:54 PM
Jul 29 03 5:09 PM
Quote:1 Corinthians 121 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Quote:1 Cor. 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Quote:Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Jul 29 03 5:17 PM
Jul 29 03 7:40 PM
Quote:Now wait a minute...there's the Prophets mentioned again...one of the ministry gifts given to the Church until we all come in the unity of the faith unto a perfect man in the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. But we don't need Prophets!...prophecy has ceased!Well if you're gonna discard prophets, discard pastors, evangelists, and teachers too. You can't pluck one out and leave the others in...God didn't give you that option!
Quote:MSC QuotedI'd say he's talking about a perfect human stature in both cases--the perfect man, the perfecting of the saints. And so we still have the gifts for that purpose.
Jul 29 03 7:58 PM
Jul 29 03 9:27 PM
Quote:No one is discarding prophets ,a prophet is someone who proclaims God's message
Quote:Prophecy: discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events To prophesy: to speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict; to prophesy with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation.
Quote:No one is saying that the Holy Spirit has ceased giving all gifts, I am stating that the Holy Spirit is no longer bringing new prophecy/new revelations from God in any manner what so ever.
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Jul 30 03 7:49 AM
Quote:So since you admit that ALL gifts haven't ceased, how do you determine which gifts are still applicable for the body of Christ. The gift of tongues has ceased according to you, has knowledge also vanished away? What about the gift of discernment, gift of miracles, gift of prophecy, gift of healing...what about the Word of Wisdom, Word of knowledge...have these all too ceased?
Jul 30 03 2:00 PM
Quote:No one garee can prop up a doctrine on one scripture that has been based on man's own private interpretation. When they do, they find themselves distorting the Word of Truth. None of the gifts have passed away...none of the ministry gifts and none of the spiritual gifts. This lastdays Church needs the gifts in operation as great, if not greater than the early church did.To prophesy to speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict; to prophesy with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God to utter forth, declare, a thingwhich can only be known by divine revelation.
Quote:The problem with the lukewarm Church in America today is that man is in control, not the Holy Spirit....teaching for doctrine the commandments of men!
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Jul 30 03 2:51 PM
Quote:I think if arguing or division is caused it can not be of the spirit and best not discussed among brethren. the gifts are for the building up and not the separating of brethren.
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Jul 30 03 3:16 PM
Quote:God is still speaking today through prophets, teachers, pastors and evangelist. Whether we hear them or not is up to us.
Jul 31 03 7:37 AM
Quote:The Unknown tongues Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 14, was man speaking to God, not God giving a direct message to man..
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