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Quote:All Romanuts consider it "pointless and fruitless to continue" conversations that speak of sound doctrine :^ )
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Feb 16 04 3:04 PM
Quote:So why don't you? Why don't you come out of that man made religion of yours and come home to One True Church?
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Quote:If Israel is merely the Jews, then you and I are in deep deep weeds according to Scriptures, for Jesus only came to die for His people Israel:
Quote:You are a Jew by being born into that ethnic group and there is no way to sever that identity.
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Feb 16 04 4:46 PM
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Quote:Im a proud Bible-thumping Fundie! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wear it like a badge, woman.
Quote: One of us is wrong, and neither of us is going to change our mind. Therefore, to continue this would be a big fat waste of both of our time.
Feb 16 04 6:02 PM
Quote:Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Quote:Rom. 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Feb 17 04 8:39 AM
Quote:But does being a "spiritual" person negate in some way the relationship we have with our physical selves? Or does it enhance it?
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Feb 17 04 7:13 PM
Quote:Well I would have to ask what relationship to our physical selves? are we not to have died to that self and been buried with him and risen anew?
Feb 17 04 9:35 PM
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Feb 17 04 11:21 PM
Quote:God created the physical and died to redeem it, not just the spirit of man. If the physical is unimportant, than there was no reason for Jesus to come in the Flesh. He was made flesh to redeem us in the flesh.
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Feb 20 04 11:58 AM
Quote:The problem with this quote is that the author is not taking into account the fact that we do not stand in our own strength. We have the "dunamis" of the Holy Spirit within to draw upon.
Quote:You see, it really is God's program to weak sinners from beginning to end.
Quote:No human being could enter into the salvation of God. The Word becomes incarnate and does what is impossible for any man to do.
Quote:No human being would or could come to God in and of himself apart from God. The Holy Spirit calls men unto salvation.
Quote:No human being could stand the assaults of the evil one and the threefold enemies of our souls - the world, the flesh, and the devil. The Holy Spirit indwells us to give us the power to resist and bevictorious.
Quote:But unlike the Calvinist paradigm, which completely takes the free will of man out of the picture, our keeping is a matter of our asking to be kept, of our turning constantly to God in prayer asking His mercy, grace, forgiveness and power. We are not robotic beings. We have a free will. Thatis one way in which we are "in the image of God."
Quote:And we never "lose" our salvation. Technically speaking, we are ALWAYS a child of God once adopted into the family of God. But we can turn our backs in our free will choice and as dog return to the vomit of our sins. God no more strong arms us into staying than the father did hisprodigal son.
Quote:The Good News is that God has done what we cannot do and gives us power that we do not of ourselves have. All we need do is call upon Him and we will find a more than sufficient grace and power to persevere to the end.
Feb 20 04 4:25 PM
Quote:You write so nice!
Quote:I agree and notice that if Christ is drawing us He will raise us up on the last day this I believe is the covenant of promise that is threaded throughout God's word.
Quote:Free will is not removed from man it is given as part of this anointing of our new birth. Actually the ability to be able to turn or repent constantly does not come from natural man's free will, but God's will and power ,only as He enables us are we capable of doing His will.
Quote:Robots could never respond to God's Love.
Quote:I believe Job helps to explain this love in which people run from, thinking that as they follow Him into His garrison of love that they will lose what they call personal freedom. but it is in the confines of His Love that we find personal freedom.
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Quote:BTW, who are you do condemn anything? Sorry. Guess that did sound considerably arrogant. I'm nobody, really. I was just trying to say that I agree with the condemnation of these heresies also.Since when did you become the infallible interpreter of truth? Ummmmmmm......not me. Sorry if that is what it sounds like. I have tremendous potential for error. That's why I trust the Church's teachings. Need to have a greater authority than myself handle the Scriptures.What I hope you mean is it is your personal "opinion." Yes. Sorry for the bad wording.So in your personal opinion you believe that "teaching" to be in error. Boy, I sure get nauseated by the arrogance of those former "Fundamentalists" who supposedly found the "truth," while us "former" Catholics do not understand the Church's teachings.Karl Keating states that almost all of the Catholics who have reverted to the Church have the same testimony -- they really didn't KNOW the Church's teachings. I think you would agree with me that there is a distinct difference between "knowing" and actually understanding something from within. It is one thing to be taught something by hearing it over and over again, and quite another thing to study it, tear it apart, compare it, dissect it, and come to a thorough understanding of it. I have had a number of my Catholic friends tell me that they don't know their own teachings that well.I see that in another reply you claimed you thought you knew the Catholic's teaching. There are probably alot of Reformed friends of yours that think the same about you and your understanding of the Reformed position. Unlike Catholics who grow up hearing their teachings and just accept them at face value without cracking a Bible and proving them, I had to study my way into the Calvinist position from being a Fundamentalist. It took three years and I think most of the people I went to church with would tell you that I had a pretty good grasp on the Reformed doctrines.Does anybody else see a problem with that? You found the "truth" and I am accused of not understanding Catholic teaching or I misrepresent it, while I am supposed to believe you ever understood Reformed theology? Do you see why we think that is the height of arrogance?Yeah, I can see how it sounds that way. I didn't mean it that way and apologize for any offense, but honestly, would you tell me if you EVER studied any of the Church's doctrines while you were actually in the Church? Or did you just study them on the way out the door and do so trying to prove them wrong because of your new friends from Protestantism? Just curious.If we do not understand Catholic theology then I can say just as emphatically you do an did not understand Reformed theology. If you did you would never have left! I am just one of MANY, such as Scott Hahn (who's briefcase I couldn't even lift theologically) who have studied their way into the Faith. Actually, because Presbyterianism is quasi-sacramental, I think it is easier for Presbyterians to come into the Church than it is for Evangelicals.Do you agree on these anathemas on "justification" also?Canon IXCanonXICanon XIICanon XIIICanon XIVCanon XXIVCanon XXXCanon XXXIIIf the Church teaches it, I accept it. That is what it means to be a Catholic. One does not claim to be Catholic and decide what he will and will not believe of the Faith
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