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Quote:Catholics, is Richard Sipe anti-Catholic because he exposes RC priesthood celibacy as a myth?
Quote: This website is the result of years of research and provides an opportunity for serious discussionof problems highlighted by the sexual abuse & betrayal of minors at the hands of trusted clergyThis site is frequently updated with information, commentary and an invitation to dialogue about human sexuality and the Roman Catholic Church. Richard Sipe: Sex, Celibacy & the Catholic Church
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Sep 30 06 3:01 PM
Quote:They ARE { Cannonically speaking } TOTALLY CELIBATE.However you can screw anything that walks every day of your life and { Cannonically speaking } remain CELIBATE.
Quote:The glaring failure of the document is the assumption that the simple appointment of trainers, specifically vocation directors, confessors, spiritual directors, rectors and faculty will transmit the ideals and form the characters of the candidates. The document fails to aver to the difficulty of finding personnel of sufficient merit and control to fulfill those responsibilities.The history of seminaries is full of accounts of spiritual directors, faculty, and rectors who are themselves sexually active and many times with the students they are directing. This is not a minor problem. Vocation directors have among their corps a host of sexually active priests (often chosen for their physically attractiveness rather that their stability and virtue).How long will it take for the Bishops start to deal with the sexual problems in seminaries and the ministry where they reside: With themselves and clergy in responsible positions? What will it take? Do they have to be named? Do they have to be sued for harassment, rape, and worse?If Bishops do not address this reality it will be taken out of their hands.More . . .
Sep 30 06 4:50 PM
Quote:The history of seminaries is full of accounts of spiritual directors, faculty, and rectors who are themselves sexually active and many times with the students they are directing. This is not a minor problem. Vocation directors have among their corps a host of sexually active priests (often chosen for their physically attractiveness rather that their stability and virtue)
Quote: When last we heard from the rector at St. Patricks Cathedral, Monsignor Eugene Clark, it was April of 2002, when he made headlines amid the priest sexual abuse scandal, practically calling for a new Spanish Inquisition, this time directed solely at homosexuals.Standing in one Sunday for the befuddled and hiding Cardinal Egan under attack for having ignored abusive priests Clark, rector at what is arguably the seat of the Catholic Church in America, ranted that homosexuality is a "disorder" and said it was a "grave mistake" to allow gays into the priesthood, blaming them for the sex abuse scandal. Clark has long upheld the Vatican belief that homosexuals and the liberals who support them are bringing down society, and, of course, want to destroy the institution of marriage. He also attacked those who are critical of celibacy.Now here is Monsignor Clark, three years later, at the age of 79, exposed last week as engaging in an adulterous affair with a married women 30 years younger, proving that the greatest threat to marriage is in fact pompous, hypocritical, heterosexual men who cant keep their dicks to themselves even as they become octogenarians.There is a God!"The next time somebody gets a lecture from a priest on the necessity of sexual restraint, their first reaction might be one of cynicism, commented the Churchs own pitbull, William Donohue of the Catholic League, perhaps the first time Ive ever agreed with him on anything. But in fact, many people have been reacting to the Vatican with cynicism for a long time, and certainly since the abuse scandal. This is just more wood on the fire, sadly confirming that theyve learned not a damn thing.
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Quote:The gays who run the Roman church are pretending to be antigay. Their "intrinsic disorder/no gays in the seminary" ruses have fooled many people.
Quote: Hoge said he believes it is clear that the number of gay men in the priesthood is higher than in the general population, but he doesn't know why."One argument is that the priesthood offers a safe place to be a homosexual, who often face many difficulties in society," he said. "Another argument is that homosexual men may be more intellectually oriented and aesthetically oriented to becoming spiritual leaders. These are theories you hear among sociologists and psychologists, but no one knows."It is unclear, too, whether the number of gay priests has increased.In 2001, Hoge did a study at Catholic University that asked a random sample of priests whether there was a homosexual subculture in their diocese or religious institute. Nineteen percent said there clearly was a homosexual subculture, and another 36 percent said there probably was, Hoge said.The data indicated that, the older the priest, the less likely he was to report a subculture."We don't know what to make of that," Hoge said. "Maybe it was less years ago, or maybe it was less visible, or they just were less sensitive to it."But those who study the priesthood agree that a subculture of any kind is "a damaging thing," Hoge said.More . . .
Oct 3 06 1:22 AM
Quote:"Another argument is that homosexual men may be more intellectually oriented and aesthetically oriented to becoming spiritual leaders. These are theories you hear among sociologists and psychologists, but no one knows."
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Oct 3 06 7:05 AM
Quote:I remember Rev. Jim Bakker on PTL. Spent lots of time in the sauna with the "guys". Typical fundy pastor.
Oct 3 06 7:13 AM
Oct 3 06 8:10 AM
Quote:Fundy's answer to no one. If caught they can always start their own church.
Oct 3 06 11:56 AM
Quote: I remember Rev. Jim Bakker on PTL. Spent lots of time in the sauna with the "guys". Typical fundy pastor.
Oct 12 06 8:44 AM
Quote:On Saturday night, June 24, after the premire showing of Amy Bergs film DELIVER US FROM EVIL at the Independent Documentary Associations Los Angeles Film Festival, a packed house stood amid thunderous applause as the father of victim who had been sexually abused as a five year-old proclaimed, Mahony belongs behind bars.Berg tells the story of peopleparents, children, believing, faithful, church going folkso easy to identify with that one is drawn delicately into a story as intriguing and riveting as a best-seller summer mystery novel. The story is woven between the families and kids who trusted the priest and the churchand how they became aware of the true nature of bothand OGrady quietly, casually telling how he was abused by a priest as an altar boy and details the methods he used to groom, seduce, and sexually violate innumerable boys and girls in his parishes.The camera reflects with the precision of a surgeons scalpel how the church delays, denies, deceives, and defies efforts to protect children from abuse. The anatomy of church control and the shield provided for abusing clergy is a powerful lesson. The depositions of Monsignor Cain, and especially Cardinal Mahony, speak louder than any imaginable commentary. Their performance exudes power precisely because it is literally unbelievable.More . . .
Oct 15 06 12:02 PM
Quote:A. W. Richard Sipe, a psychiatrist and former Benedictine monk who has treated scores of sexually abusive priests and has written extensively about the phenomenon, says that the reality of the gay network is well known to clerics and others closely familiar with the workings of the Catholic Church, though difficult to prove from public sources."I've reviewed over 100 cases of sexual abuse by priests. In there you get the documentation, which unfortunately often gets sealed by the Church after they settle the cases," says Sipe, who is an expert witness in abuse cases. "It's very clear that you can trace [the network], one person to another, through a sequence of appointments, the sequence of who follows whom in what position, and how they got there. It is a fact, and nobody can sincerely deny it." A typical pattern involves a priest becoming sexually involved with a seminarian or younger cleric, and then the junior man following his elder up the diocesan hierarchy. Sipe and others interviewed say this "bond of secrecy" introduces the possibility of blackmail: Those in positions of authority are prevented from acting against others because they themselves are compromised. It's a form of mutually assured destruction.For the last decade, Church officials around the country have been moving quietly, with some success, to reform the worst of the so-called "pink palace" seminaries. "It's not official policy, but it would be very hard for a man with a homosexual orientation to get into the seminary here," says a top administrator in a major archdiocese. "Everybody knows it has been a problem, and bishops are trying to clean it up. But you can't say that officially, because it will blow up in your face."More . . .
Oct 15 06 2:03 PM
Quote:"I've reviewed over 100 cases of sexual abuse by priests. In there you get the documentation, which unfortunately often gets sealed by the Church after they settle the cases," says Sipe, who is an expert witness in abuse cases. "It's very clear that you can trace [the network], one person to another, through a sequence of appointments, the sequence of who follows whom in what position, and how they got there. It is a fact, and nobody can sincerely deny it."A typical pattern involves a priest becoming sexually involved with a seminarian or younger cleric, and then the junior man following his elder up the diocesan hierarchy. Sipe and others interviewed say this "bond of secrecy" introduces the possibility of blackmail: Those in positions of authority are prevented from acting against others because they themselves are compromised. It's a form of mutually assured destruction.
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