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Quote:The ONE AND ONLY gameplan for the online Catholic, is cut and paste a prewritten answer.
Quote:Bill: Right. The Ustashe movement was marked by its clerical/fascist character. It was controlled by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. The Ustashe killed Ukrainians first but they killed people in Yugoslavia too, especially at the Croatian Ustashe death camp, Jasenovac.Jared: A lot of people don't realize that the Catholic Church was involved in this stuff.Bill: Up to its eyeballs. Priests were directly involved in the mass murders. We want people whose families were taken to Jasenovac and never returned; we want evidence of people being killed; we want any documents, photographs, testimonies. There's a lot of material out there that we know people have. The Serbs have never brought it forward.The Serbs always said, "Well God knows what happened so we don't have to parade this material around to show people evidence." Well yes you do, and that's been probably the biggest mistake the Serbs made in the last 55 years. We haven't made clear to people what really happened. We need people to come forward who have evidence to offer. Particularly pictures, documents and first person testimonies. There still are some survivors out there and of course family members of people killed at Jasenovac. And don't forget the Ustashe killed people throughout Serbia and Bosnia, as well as Ukraine. Jasenovac was a trial balloon on how to effectively slaughter large numbers of people. It was controlled by this clerical fascist regime in Croatia, under the control of the Catholic Church.Jasenovac was the first death camp, the test case. The Nazi's wanted to see how many people it was possible to kill in how much time, the organizational problems and so on. This was before Auschwitz and the others. They didn't have gas chambers at Jasenovac so what they did was bludgeon people to death or disembowel or dismember them. It didn't take any bullets. They needed bullets to fight the war. They had contests at Jasenovac every night. To see who could kill the most in one night. One particular priest won by killing 1500 Serbs in an evening. This is all documented.Jared: Oh my God.Bill: And since there were over 6 or 700,000 people who were killed there should be a bunch of people out there, like me. My relatives were all killed.Jared: My relatives were all killed in Lithuania and in Poland, in Lodz.Bill: They are all together, in common graves. The Jews, the Roma, the Serbs, the Ukrainians. All together. It is outrageous that the world does not know about this, and about the terrible role the Vatican played both in leading - leading - the fascist Ustashe and in hoarding this money, and later, in making sure the killers got away. The Vatican set up the actual escape routes for the Ustashe. These murderers, who were also Roman Catholic priests, fled to Argentina, Canada and the United States after the war with false passports prepared from inside the Vatican ''Ratline'' An interview with Bill Dorich, one of the plaintiffs in class action suit against Vatican.
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Quote:My question to you Sid, is why YOU don't have a problem with those who refuse to recognize Jesus Christ?You claim you believe the Scriptures, but do you?
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Quote:PLEASE answer the questions Sid posted.Pictures speak for themselves so if you have anything to rebute them, please do so.
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Quote:I still await an answer as to why the head of the Evangelical Church in Germany was a Nazi and committed suicide at the end of the war to avoid capture?
Oct 27 06 6:12 AM
Quote:Continually apprehensive of schisms within the Church, Pius strove to maintain the allegiance of Catholics in Germany, in Poland, and elsewhere. Fearful too of threats from the outside, the Pope dared not confront the Nazis or the Italian Fascists directly. Notably, the papacy maintained its reserve not only against Jewish appeals but in the face of others as well. The Holy See turned a deaf ear to anguished calls from Polish bishops to denounce the Nazis' atrocities in Poland; issued no explicit call to stop the so-called euthanasia campaign in the Reich; deeply offended many by receiving the Croatian dictator Ante Pavelic, whose men butchered an estimated 700,000 Orthodox Serbs; and refused to denounce Italian aggression against Greece.Beyond this, there is a widespread sense that, however misguided politically, Pius himself felt increasingly isolated, threatened, and verging on despair. With an exaggerated faith in the efficacy of his mediative diplomacy, Pius clung to the wreckage of his pre-war policy "a kind of anxiously preserved virginity in the midst of torn souls and bodies," as one sympathetic observer puts it.It may be quite correct to say, as does Father John Morley, that the Vatican "betrayed the ideals it set for itself". But sincere churchmen at the time could certainly judge those ideals otherwise. As Leonidas Hill reminds us, "the theology of the Church lays far less emphasis on saving lives than on saving souls through the consolations of religion". Seeing the institutional church as a supreme value in its own right, those in charge of its fortunes tended unhesitatingly to put these ahead of the victims of Nazism.More . . .
Oct 27 06 7:06 AM
Quote:Continually apprehensive of schisms within the Church, Pius strove to maintain the allegiance of Catholics in Germany, in Poland, and elsewhere. Fearful too of threats from the outside, the Pope dared not confront the Nazis or the Italian Fascists directly.
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